Wolseley JLJ 879N

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Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:28 pm

Hi all

So after a change in personal circumstances and now having my own Garage at home, the work has finally started again. KPK the white Wolseley is currently away being prepped and painted so in the meantime I've decided to start welding JLJ.

I've started looking at the front end tonight as it's abit of a frankensteins monster. It appears the front end has been rotten in the past so the owner at the time has removed the original front wings and replaced them with those from a red car, but has left each corresponding sides valance attached.

Now they have not removed the old valance underneath they have simply sat the replacement panel over the top and riveted it in place which has made quite a mess, I'll attach some pictures below.

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Post by John Steed » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:30 pm

For some reason it wont show all the pictures when uploaded on the same post so I've had to put them on their own posts.
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Post by John Steed » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:33 pm

last one for this evening :)
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by Gasman » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:40 pm

Are the previously-red wings rotten?
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:43 pm

The Red wings are extremely solid, just bolted on rather than welded though, ideally could do with a replacement piece for the front valance, I've messaged Beiderbecke as per our previous messages as that would really bring the front end up to a good standard.

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Post by Gasman » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:02 pm

Beiderbecke has asked me to post a photo although I know you have already seen it. You will notice it is only the front bit of the panel and not the bit that continues underneath.
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:07 pm

That's Fantastic and would be a very big help. I've sent a PM

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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by Vulgalour » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:52 am

The bit that goes underneath is considerably easier to fabricate and tends to survive quite well (in my limited experience). That valance seam is a bit of bad design really since it encourages water to sit in the seam where the panels join. Had they put the overlap on the seam the other way around, ater would be more inclined to run out rather than be trapped.

Still, a solid pair of wings is a nice bonus, we all know how difficult those are to get hold of. Great to hear your situation has allowed you to get stuck into both cars too.

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Post by John Steed » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:45 pm

Fingers crossed the underside will be a nice simple fabrication. It is a bonus that the wings are solid, they're only bolted on rather than welded so I'm going to remove them just to check what it's like underneath then I'll get them lined up properly and welded back properly. Once the fronts repaired it's onto the sills and after that a pair of back arches to go in :D

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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:14 pm

As the front wings are only bolted on rather than welded, I set about removing the drivers side wing this afternoon.

Just a patch needed on the base of the A Pillar everything else looks very solid :D
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Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Some close-ups of the A Pillar
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Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:16 pm

Looks to have been filled in the past.
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:17 pm

Hopefully Cut the rot out here and weld in a new piece, going to remove the windscreen first, it needs to come out anyways as the rubber is perished and there's a small rusty patch under the rubber.
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:18 pm

Stripped some more out over the past week. I thought I was having some luck as from underneath the floorpans looked extremely solid, until I removed the carpets and realised they were both rotten, and the previous owner rather than chopping them out and replacing the rot, has welded new metal underneath the car leaving the rotting metal above it, which has now spread to the panels underneath, shocking :o
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Post by Gasman » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:25 pm

Golly. A bit of work there I'm afraid to say Andy but think of the satisfaction when you get to the end...
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Post by rovamota » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:46 pm

In all fairness at least there's not massive holes where metal is supposed to be and the surrounding areas are good.
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:41 pm

I agree, at least there's not big holes. However once I have removed the metal sheets from underneath the original floor there will be a large hole to fill in the original floor either side.

I have debated cutting out the rot in the original floor and replacing that and then leaving the replacement panel underneath aswell, however I'm not sure if it will create a moisture trap by then having it double skinned, perhaps making matters worse in the future, any opinions on this?

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Post by Gasman » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:25 am

I agree I don’t think double skinning is a good idea albeit You could ensure the double skinned bit was full of waxoyl.

I’d repair each corner one by one. When we started repairing the first quarter on Maurice, as we were cutting out the rust, we noticed the cuts closing up as the body flexed so had to speedily ensure the car was properly supported... Admittedly this was a rear quarter but be warned!
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:12 pm

Decided to work from the front back so have started with the valance, cut the panel and drilled out the spot welds to remove the rotten front valance.

Now just left with both scoops which aren't too bad, going to start putting new metal in over the next few evenings and fit the new valance piece. Offered it up for a test this evening and it's looking good, be much better with the scoop repaired.
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Re: Wolseley JLJ 879N

Post by Vulgalour » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:55 pm

All looks like fairly standard rot so far. Not so advanced that it can't be put right but goodness it's scary when you first see it! The advice I was given on floor repairs is to butt welded and seam weld if possible to reduce the amount of dirt and moisture that might get caught in there, and to avoid double-skinning where possible. Providing you clean it back once welded and apply a good smear of seam sealant afterwards, along with a decent amount of paint protection, it should serve you well for quite some time to come. Zinc-rich primers also seem to be very good at keeping the rust at bay on freshly welded pieces, so although it's expensive, it is a worthwhile investment, and a good way to keep repairs protected that you need to leave exposed for a while and don't want to have to fit with flash rusting.

It's great that you could get that front panel, that's going to save you so much work. From experience, I can recommend focusing on just one area at a time and completing it to a set point before moving on to the next bit. It really helps keep you feeling motivated to do the rest because you can look at what's done and get a boost from that rather than being depressed about how much is left to do.

Very best of luck with your continued efforts on this car, it's really good to read your updates and see you getting stuck in.

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