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Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:49 pm

I thought it might be better to start a thread here for the Restoration of KPK.

Here's how it was in the beginning of 2017, just a couple of photos as you've probably seen them before :)
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:59 pm

I've actually came across more pictures from when I first went to view the car, and when we got it home, and then finally to the first workshop, some of these photos show how rough it was in some areas, though alot of these photos also hide alot of the rot well too.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:02 pm

After some passage of time, and finally settling into the first workshop, it was almost completely stripped except for the engine and some mechanicals, which were removed not long after this picture.
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Post by John Steed » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm

Now came the longest wait yet, it left the workshop in late 2018 to have the replacement panels fitted and welded along with other rotten areas repaired.

I was extremely fortunate to secure replacement door skins, rear quarter panels, wheel arch repair sections etc among other items, this made the task so much easier. For the panels and repair sections still missing we resorted to what some may call sacrilege and cut/removed them from the Sandglow bodyshell that I bought from the NEC in 2017 along with JLJ the blue Wolseley. This was unfortunately necessary, however the Sandglow bodyshell had no mechanicals at all so would have taken a huge amount of work and parts sourcing to return to the road in any case.

The work was finally completed by mid September 2019 and the car finally returned home to my new garage on Thursday 26th :D

I now have the mammoth task of choosing the best pieces and locating everything to put back onto the car. I've also been lucky enough to obtain a substantial amount of nos trim pieces so I'm hoping this will greatly improve the final look of the car :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:18 pm

You may notice that in the original pictures the car has no side wing repeaters, the original wings were too far gone and so the wings from the Sandglow shell were utilised instead, these already had the holes for the side wing repeaters in them.

I could have had them welded up which was the original intention. However after some consideration I decided from a safety point of view that they would be a valuable addition to the car, especially with regards to being seen amongst modern traffic/drivers. Okay so it's not quite original but I quite like the look of them too :D

Altough I did make one mistake with regards to the drivers wing, I completely forgot something which I only noticed once the car had already been painted, see who can spot the mistake ? :oops: :lol:

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Post by Gasman » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:37 pm

Well, I presume I have insider knowledge what this is so won't mention it but, TBH, I wouldn't have spotted it!
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Re: Project KPK

Post by beiderbecke » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Aerial hole...?

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Post by John Steed » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:19 pm

Martin did have have insider knowledge on that wing but I'll say no more haha :lol:

That's it, the aerial hole, I'd completely forgot all about it until it was too late. I've got one of those invisible hidden ones that I'll locate somewhere inside the car :D

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Post by Princess1800s » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:05 am

Well I hope they’ve improved since I tried one of those 20 odd years ago! Else would it be such a big job to carefully mask / centre punch / drill a hole?

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Post by Gasman » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:04 am

SMG has got a rear aerial & I didn’t spot that! I agree with Princess1800s, it’s no big deal to drill post painting. A bit of tape first to stop the drill slipping (as he says) and Bob’s your uncle. Repaint the edges and some Waxoyl will prevent rusting.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:35 pm

That's quite a turnaround! Looks absolutely superb already, should look brand new when you fit all that lovely NOS gear. The side repeaters I'm sure do make a difference in traffic, otherwise you've got nothing on the sides of the car at all to tell people what you're about to do and the ones on the front, while nice and bright, seem to be too low for most drivers to register them.

Looking forward to more progress updates on this as you get the opportunity to provide them.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:12 pm

Haven't posted much lately so here's a couple of pictures so far, still lots to do :D
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Post by Gasman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:41 pm

It's progressing nicely even if there is still lots to do.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:24 pm

I have a small question. I've got a nos rear bumper that I intend to fit, but no rubber. I've taken a good rubber from a poor bumper but several of the bolts have turned to dust. Is it possible to get the bolts with the square end that slots into the rubber, or has anyone made bespoke items to fit into the rubber to attach it to the bumper?

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Post by Gasman » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:59 pm

I had SMG's bumpers re-chromed so had to take the rubbers off. The retaining bolts. as you affirmed, mostly turned to dust.



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I managed to find some spade shaped replacements albeit the bolt size was only 3mm instead of 5 - if my very poor memory serves me correctly - and they have been fine. Trouble is, I can't remember where I got them from.




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Post by Gasman » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:12 pm

On further memory searching I think I got them from Bresco's although I can't find them after a quick look on their website I'm afraid.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:50 pm

I have just managed to purchase some very similar looking ones from Bresco's, fingers crossed when they arrive they will fit :D

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Post by 100 Club » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:30 pm

Please let us know the result :)
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Post by John Steed » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:24 pm

Still awaiting the parts from bresco's so in the mean time I've started the front end.

Does anyone know a part number or where to obtain the screws that fix the sidelight lenses in place, two either side with a small plastic looking washer, mine are quite crusty to say the least?
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Post by Eddie » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:36 am

Amazing work. Are your black plastic headlight surrounds new? If not, how did you revive them to get them looking like new? Ed

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Post by Gasman » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:22 am

Eddie, I use Peanut oil but, like tyre finishers, it does need repeat applications say every 3 months.

Andy, another great sneak view. It's going to be fantastic when finished! Funny things photographs; engine bay front to back looks shorter than a mini... More to the point, surprisingly, the bolts that hold the indicator lens on are not separately listed in the parts catalogue (that I can find anyway). They should come with NOS lenses (although I haven't got any new bolts despite having a couple of NOS lenses!). I'm sure bolts from another application could fit... No idea if these are the correct thread etc but companies like these might be able to help:

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Post by 100 Club » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:13 pm

It could be worth trying to get hold of screws for a Mini Clubman front side/indicator lamp: the lens is approximately the same depth as that on a Princess and I would have thought that Mini specialists would stock them.
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Post by John Steed » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:45 pm

The Headlamp Surrounds are new, I've been very lucky in finding quite a lot of nos parts over the past couple of years, I usually browse online most evenings and have been quite surprised with some of the parts I've found.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions for the screws, I'll have a look today and see what I can find, unfortunately all the nos lenses I got never came with screws either :(

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Post by John Steed » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:31 pm

Another sneak preview, please excuse the mess :roll:
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Post by Gasman » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:17 am

That's not what I call a mess. A suggestion, (not a criticism!) use black screws to hold the grille on. From experience, chrome ones, at least for me, stand out like a sore thumb against the black horizontal slats.
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Post by John Steed » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:40 pm

Very good suggestion :D I need to take it back off again as I want to paint all the brackets.

Ill replace those two screws and washers with black when I put it back on :)

Still waiting for the bits from brescos, so hopefully get the rear bumper and foglights fitted sometime this week, also need to adjust the front spots as they are too close to the number plate.

Next jobs will be brake pipes and replacement steering rack, hoping to get all that fitted before the engine :D

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Post by Gasman » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:20 pm

What brackets are you using for the fog lamps? I have been considering putting square eights on SMG. It had them before I owned it.
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Post by John Steed » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:41 pm

One of the spare front bumpers I had already had the brackets attached, but i'm making some adapters so that I can move the square eight's over abit. I'll try and snap some pictures of the bracketry from underneath :)

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Post by John Steed » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:23 pm

Just a small update, the clips arrived from brescos, I am having some trouble inserting them however, can I ask how you inserted yours into the rubber?

Also, the only good rubber I had came from a front bumper, it does fit the rear but having been on a front for 40+ years it's abit out of shape on the corners, is there a way of helping it fit better, or a rare chance of someone having a good condition rear bumper rubber?

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Post by Gasman » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:56 pm

I can't really remember how I got the clips into the slot as It's too long ago! That said, I have a vague recollection of making a window in the slot away from any fixation site (determined of course by the holes in the bumper) such that I could insert all the clips into the slot at that point and then slide them along but, as I say, I can't properly remember. The only other thing to say is that I was lucky that the 2 bonded bolts that fit into the bumper on the side of the car at the front extremity of the rubber came undone without problem when I dismantled so re-assembly there was straightforward.

I'm surprised the front bumper insert will fit the rear at all. I've not measured them but would have thought they were different lengths. Whatever, you've obviously measured them! Can't help with a proper replacement I'm afraid.
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Post by rovamota » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:38 am

The front and rear bumper inserts are the same.
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Post by Gasman » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:19 pm

Well there you go. You learn something new every day!
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Post by Gasman » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:25 pm

or. then again Rovamota, maybe I don't but you do! They are different part numbers … Eyeballing them the wrap around doesn't look the same (which I guess might fit with what Andy is saying) but I'm far to idle to be bothered to get the car out of the garage to measure them.

To try and answer Andy's question on how to make it fit better I think this will be difficult and can only suggest the obvious of quite a strong indirect heat source to soften up the rubber and a bit of bonking to persuade the metal backing into a better shape. As a disclaimer, I must stress I haven't tried this myself so can't verify that a: it would be successful & b: it wouldn't damage the rubber.
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BONKING MARTIN SURELY NOT

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Post by rovamota » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:32 pm

I took a rubber insert from a front bumper and fitted it to a rear with no problems at all.
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Post by John Steed » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:38 pm

I've changed the headlamps to some nice lucas halogen units, however these came from an XJ40 which I believe had 4 dipped beams aswell as 4 main beams, so instead of having h4 outers and h1 inners, all 4 units have h4 bulbs, so my question is, If i was to take a join from the dipped wire and add it to the inner multiplug, would I have 4 dipped beams aswell as 4 main beams?
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I had a very early production D reg XJ40 which certainly did not have 4 dipped lights (only the outer 2) with 4 on full. It may of course be that the later 4 headlamp models changed to have 4 dipped lights.

Anyway, if it's got a dipping bulb and you do what you say it will work.

We used XJ40 lights when we restored Maurice because I had a set in store. I always felt the flat lenses didn't look quite right but it saved us money and with halogen bulbs it improved on the standard sealed beam glow worms.
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Post by John Steed » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:27 pm

I do agree they don't look as nice with the flat lenses as the normal domed type do, but the increased light output should make up for that, I'm about to wire in relays for dipped and main to further boost the light output. With travelling to shows further afield the stronger lights will be a big benefit travelling home later on an evening.

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Post by Peter Laursen » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:36 am

I don't know the UK rules, but in Denmark only two dipped lights are allowed. Concerning light output I can recommend to use bulbs like PHILIPS XTREME VISION H4 + 130%. They more than double the light (lux).
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Post by Gasman » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:49 pm

The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989:

Schedule 4 Part II

Requirements relating to optional dipped-beam headlamps
1. In the case of a vehicle with three or more wheels having a maximum speed exceeding 25 mph first used on or after 1st April 1991, two and not more than two may be fitted and the only requirements prescribed by these Regulations in respect of any which are fitted are–

2. In the case of any other vehicle, any number may be fitted and the only requirements prescribed by these Regulations in respect of any which are fitted are those specified in paragraphs 2(c), 4, 7 and 12(a) of Part I.

I do not think there is any EU directive to overrule this so for your pre-1991 vehicle this should be legal in the UK. Nor can I see any problems with the MOT, not that it needs one.

Using relays is obviously a sensible move.

SMG has domed lights from a Triumph with quartz halogen bulbs. I got them from Rimmers. The mortgage on them should soon be paid off... The standard sealed beam units are dangerously inadequate IMO, not that I drive the car at night much but do occasionally. I'm tempted to follow your lead and have all 4 on dip myself... The only downside I can see is that other people may flash you because they think you haven't dipped as there are 4 lamps on.
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Post by steveb » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:54 pm

1had 4 dipped lamps on a mk1 scirocco years ago it was never a problem, the lights where woefull on that as well.
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Post by Princess1800s » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:22 am

You don’t need to wire in relays as advances in (non-crap) automotive LED lighting have made halogens obsolete.

I highly recommend a phone call to this chap. Very very helpful and reasonably priced for what you get. I ended up replacing every single bulb (incl. number plate and interior lamps!) on my E9 BMW.

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Post by John Steed » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:42 pm

Many Thanks indeed for the suggestion and website link.

Having LED's in my newer cars yes they are brilliant, however I'm trying to keep the Wolseley as standard as possible within reason and don't want modern looking led's visible when looking at the headlamps, or the whiter colour that comes with them, I want to keep the slightly warmer yellowed look, as strange as it sounds I'm abit OCD when it comes to these things, which Is why everything is taking so long haha :lol: :lol:

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Post by John Steed » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:31 pm

Finally got round to fitting the rubber to the nos rear bumper, despite trying all manner of clips I just couldn't get any to fit short of mangling the rubber, so after some head scratching I thought of an idea that has actually worked :D

Realising the backing of the rubber was metal, I taped the rubber in place on the bumper, turned the bumper over and drilled small pilot holes into the metal backing, then using some stainless self tappers and washers, screwed the rubber to the bumper, it's held in place securely and looks good.

Apologies for the poor pictures, I didn't have the room to get a decent shot, once It's fitted I'll take another picture :D
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Post by Gasman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:49 pm

Well done. Looks great. There's more than one way to skin a cat....
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:44 pm

I have a little question regarding fuel tanks, KPK's fuel tank was far from good, and needs alot of work, so to that end I'm probably going to spruce up and use the tank from the blue one. However I may have a chance at a half decent ambassador fuel tank, am I jumping in to quick assuming that they are the same tank, or are there some differences that would make an Ambassador tank incompatible?

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:19 pm

The Ambassador tank is a direct fit for a Princess one. It's just got more sound deadening on it.

The tank may be half decent but the indecent bit will be rusty! I would treat the inside of the tank with a three stage treatment such as POR 15. It's expensive - around £80 if I remember correctly from when I did KwacKers - but should ensure you don't get rusty crud coming down the petrol line. See the forum - viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1154
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Re: Project KPK

Post by steveb » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:52 pm

I have had my fuel tank refurbished here, https://www.arrowrad.co.uk/ it had a leak along the seam they have used something like por 15 on it, i have yet to refit it but they assure me it will not leak.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:34 pm

Another small Question :roll: :lol:

I've got a nos Smiths Servoglide window kit I was intending to fit, however it's missing a couple of adapters from the kit which just happen to be the ones I need, I may be able to rustle something up to fit using some of the other adapters in the kit, but I was wondering, can Ambassador front electric regulators fit?

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:13 pm

And you, the man who likes to keep things standard! I don't know from experience whether Ambo electric regulators will fit but I don't see any reason why not. All the runners etc are the same on manual or electric regulators and the Ambo manual regulator is the same as the Princess one so I reckon it's a straight swap. I'm sure someone out there must have tried it ….
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