Project KPK

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:40 pm

haha :D :lol:

I'm only making two little modifications honest :lol:

I thought adding some period electric front windows and an electric aerial might give it that extra little sense of Wolseley luxury haha, I've got a spare set of door cards so I can easily revert back to standard with no trace in theory :D

I shall give the Ambassador regulators a try, someone I've bought parts from on ebay says he is due to be breaking a terminal Ambassador HLS so hopefully get the regulators off it, all going well :) :)

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:29 pm

I've just got round to fitting the rear bumper, but before I installed it, I've taken the rear fog lamps from the old bumper and swapped them across, however when looking at the wiring, there's only one wire for each fog lamp, no earth's, is this normal? I'm sure my Dolomite was the same I just can't remember :lol:

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:41 pm

I think that's right. Earth is through the body. I'll look tomorrow.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:13 pm

I'm having a small dilemma with the vinyl roof now :lol:

Unfortunately the material I got is only 1.4 metres wide, this is also the widest I have been able to find anywhere sadly, but it is not wide enough for the a pillars, the original was all one piece from the back screen all the way down to the base of the a pillars, the width of the new material would mean making separate pieces for the a pillars and having a join at the top :roll: :oops:

What's the concensus on this, does anyone know of a supplier that could provide a wider roll of material, perhaps 2 metres wide or more ?
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Post by Gasman » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:21 pm

Yet another thing I haven't tried to do but if you cut the material at the top of the windscreen towards but say 1" from the A post then cut down at right angles to the bottom edge of the material. Then, angle a cut to end at the top corner of the windscreen you will be left with a trouser leg and surely this could be stretched/coaxed +/- a bit of hair dryer warmth to continue down the A post without a join or any creases?


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Re: Project KPK

Post by rovamota » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:42 pm

I wouldn't be too bothered about having a join which should be roughly where the A pillar meets the roof seam. Few people will notice and it'll be a more economical way of doing the job.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:40 pm

Done the first of the quarter panels this afternoon :D
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Post by rovamota » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:37 pm

What adhesive did you use?
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:35 pm

I used Indasa Trim Adhesive, purchased from ebay, it's incredibly strong stuff, the smell alone was very intense, it's stuck like concrete so it seems very good stuff, I believe it's also UV resistant :D

Few bits of trim on tonight, test fit the badge :lol: Just need to give the vinyl a clean over now, roof next, fingers crossed :)
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:36 pm

Some more Vinyl progress
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:34 pm

All done, just the back edge to tuck in :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:00 pm

That's a smart job you've made of that.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:07 pm

Thankyou :D

I must admit I'm rather surprised how well it has turned out, just show's you don't always need to get the professionals in :lol:

Whils't on the subject, KPK never had the trims at the top of the quarter panels, I know the earlier ones had a slimmer profile, but I've just used the later type as I managed to get a hold of a pair some time back, they need painting matt black which I'll do in due course, however the n/s one is alittle damaged at the join, in my quest for perfection I wouldn't mind a spare set :lol: Does anyone have some spares ?
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Vulgalour » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:40 am

I've got a pair, one side has split just like yours, I just can't remember which side. I'll have a rummage in the garage boxes and see if I can find them.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:43 pm

That's Fantastic, Fingers Crossed :D

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:26 pm

Painted a spare black dash today, not 100% identical to the original but I think it looks good enough :)
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:16 pm

Well, Due to having Asthma, I am now at home for 12 weeks, going to use this as an opportunity to get really stuck in and hopefully have some progress pictures to start uploading soon. Stay safe everyone

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Re: Project KPK

Post by steveb » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:25 pm

I'm stuck indoors as well, but the princess is 100 miles away ......... . bit of a fail .
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:57 pm

I need people's opinions :D

Is it easier to fit the metal part of the dash first, or re-fit the windscreen first and then the metal part of the dash?

Also, being indecisive, the brown dash I sprayed has abit of a shine to it, so do I fit the sprayed one with the slight shine, or just go for the spare black one which is not original to the car, but possibly looks better :lol:

Opinions please as I'm hopeless, then fingers crossed I can get a dash and windscreen in within the next couple of days :D

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:01 pm

I have seen this Ministerial Wedge with a partly black dash, which I do think looks classy. So I'm torn between shiny sprayed replica brown, or just fit full black :roll:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Peter Laursen » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:23 am

I would go for the black dash, which I think looks good. Also a shiny dash may reflect in the windscreen. If you go for the painted one, I hope you have more luck than I. I painted mine black with vinyl spray paint, but the sun has caused the paint to crack.
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Post by Gasman » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:30 pm

It's a funny thing personal taste. I hadn't noticed that the ministerial cars had a black dash and all Princess 2s with sorrel trim had black dashes (I think) so why do I think the black looks wrong. Answer - no idea.

I do take Peter's very valid point about windscreen reflections but, despite that, I would go for the brown.

Yet again I suspect I have not helped you - 1 independent source black 1 brown. You did ask though!
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Re: Project KPK

Post by steveb » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:45 pm

If it was brown from new, then brown it should be now :-) my 2p worth ...
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:18 pm

I 100% agree, it was brown when new so should be brown now. I want to keep it as original as possible but unfortunately all the brown interior pieces are too badly worn to use much to my dismay :( :(

I did spray a dash with brown paint but no matter the shade I used or type it just looked abit mismatched :(

I've gone for the black for now but fingers crossed if I can ever find a half decent brown dash I'll reinstate the brown :D

Saying that I'll try some other paints I have and see if I can obtain a finish I am happy with and see how it looks, this indecisiveness will be the death of me :lol:

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:16 pm

Here's some comparison pictures :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:35 pm

So, I've repaired the original damaged glove box lid with a small amount of filler, have painted that to match the dashboard along with a column shroud, I may go for this after all and keep the black for a backup :D
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Post by rovamota » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:05 pm

That Ministerial Wolseley has a black dash because the owner at the time fitted it as the brown one had cracked badly! I'd go with brown.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:35 pm

Thanks for the reply Kev :D

I had suspected that was the case with the Ministerial one, mine was badly damaged too making it unusable, but I've had two spare black sets and I've just finished spraying one set today :D I'm quite pleased with the result, just hoping it doesn't give off glare.

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Post by 100 Club » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:04 pm

I have to say that your shiny brown looks more Vauxhall Viva than Wolseley, but then again I've seen worse results from misguided applications of 'Cockpit Shine' at car shows :lol:

Can you source some satin finish clear lacquer and give that a try? :idea:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:31 pm

I actually didn't think of that :oops:

I'd have to order in satin as I haven't got any, i've got Matt lacquer tho

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:21 pm

Whilst I'm waiting for some lacquer to come for the dashboard parts I've started on the heater box. The original one is in very poor condition, the one from the spares car is in very good condition however, but the fresh air flap wouldn't close properly at all. This was still okay on the original unit so I've swapped this over, however it had a shattered bracket/adjuster. So I've had to swap the bracket/adjuster back across :lol:

The original bracket/adjuster was extremely brittle, not sure what would cause this :(

However with a lick of paint and some new foam I will have a serviceable heater unit again fingers crossed :D
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Post by Peter Laursen » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:51 am

While you have access to the heater box, I suggest you have a look at the "otter switch". It is probably not working. It is a safety switch in case the fan is not working. If the switch is not working, the fan will only run at highest speed. You may of course know this already.
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Post by Gasman » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pm

Lol. Never heard it called an ‘otter switch before.
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Post by John Steed » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:01 pm

I know of the resistor if that's the part ?

The Wolseley has the early type resistor in the plenum chamber but also seems to have one on the heater unit itself, whereas the later spares car just had one on the heater with the extra bits on and nothing in the plenum, judging by the poor condition of the original it'll be the unit from the spares car that gets used as it's pretty good aside from a couple of bits of foam needing replaced. I'm just praying that bracket/adjuster doesnt snap like the orther one when I go to swap it over :roll:

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Post by Gasman » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:09 pm

'Otter switch sounds much better than boring old resistor. Perhaps it's Danish for resistor :lol: Maurice the Morris also had the old type in the plenum and the newer type on the heater. We didn't even bother testing the original one even though we had a NOS spare. The design was changed for a reason!
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Post by Gasman » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:38 pm

Lol. Otter's the manufacturer. That's not the resistor but as Peter inferred, a thermal cutout. I didn't remember Maurice having one of those and despite the SD1 and TR7 heaters being the same as Princess & Ambo heaters but I couldn't see this part listed in the Princess/Ambo parts catalogue or any mention of it in the respective workshop manuals & wiring diagrams.

I looked back over Maurice's restoration and found a photo that has this cutout on the back of the same unit as the new style resistor unit. That's why its not separately listed. I also found Peter told us about this at the time which had completely slipped my memory.

I now remember that Maurice only worked on one speed but I got it to work properly by a thorough cleaning job and didn't need to replace the cutout.


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Post by John Steed » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:22 pm

Well I've finally finished, managed to swap the part's over, re-foamed a couple of flaps, and indeed discovered that otter is the manufacturer aswell :D
Just need to figure out what I need to have connected up electrical wise to check the operation and I can establish if all the speeds work before I start putting the rest of the dash in :D
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Post by John Steed » Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:17 pm

Completed all the wiring and wiring repairs this week, the previous owner must have had a liking for scotch locks, these have all been removed and re soldered properly :D I had a spare day so decided to fit this kit that I've had on the shelf for a couple of years :D I wanted to have all the holes in the same place as I'm abit ocd like that. Sadly there wasn't as much room below the courtesy switch on the rear doors so drilled above instead :roll:
And typically as most jobs have been so far, the nice drill holesaw I was using for the front broke so as you can see I had to use normal steel drill bits for the rears, which although look okay have left a slightly sharp edge on the inside, however the rubber grommet stops the wires being caught :D Just looking forward to getting the doors on to test it all :lol:
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Post by Gasman » Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:56 pm

Nothing wrong with OCD. It was (/is) an essential requirement for all members of my branch of my profession! I really miss the central locking of my Ambo when in the Wolseley so think this is a major benefit. Not so fussed about electric windows which some people also fit. How else can I get my exercise...
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Post by John Steed » Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:20 pm

I'm very glad you approve :D I suppose as far as modifications go, this one is fairly hidden. To anyone casually looking at the inside of the car there's no tell tale signs, the only obvious sign is the rubber boot/grommet between the door and body which most people won't see as the doors will be shut :lol:

I did toy with fitting a nos Servoglide kit I have, but then it means drilling even bigger holes in the front to accommodate the extra wires, finding bigger rubber boots etc. Plus I rather like the style of the early window winder handles. It's also not much of an inconvenience having to wind the window down :D

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:55 pm

Tomorrow I'm going to try and re-install the rear screen :D I've got a nos rubber to go along with it :D

Re-fitted the parcel shelf today, and don't worry as can be seen in the pictures, I have a spare unmarked parcel shelf to return it to standard for whatever reason :)
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:24 pm

Afternoon all, so I've managed after a few hours of struggling to re-install the rear screen. I hope the neighbours weren't in their gardens at the time haha :lol:

I've came to the dreaded job of doing the stainless trims, how on earth do these go on? I've managed to slide the bottom one across starting at one end and pushing across with force, the top one looks as though it might do the same with some force applied

I did think of putting them to the rubber before fitting the screen but it was just as hard to get them in and would have made it extremely difficult or impossible to fit the glass :( As you can see I look Thrilled to have gotten the glass in haha :x :lol:

Some pictures of the effort so far :lol:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:42 pm

I am glad to say it is not a job I've done. Everyone who has says what a bugger it is. I do know you need plenty of Fairy Liquid....
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:07 pm

From the little I've managed to get on so far, it is extremely difficult. I'll have to raid the rest of the fairy liquid tomorrow :lol:

I'm assuming i'm going the right way about it though slotting in from one end and pushing?

When it comes to the front screen though I've been advised by a couple of people to fit the rubber and trims to the glass together and fit all as one ?

Thanks again for any advice, I'm getting there slowly :D

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:25 pm

I do know other people have said that it is less difficult on the front window to put the trim on before the window is fitted. As I said I haven't done it so can't really comment...
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:33 pm

No Problem at all, I shall probably try that first on the front screen :)

I was having a close look at the rear screen today as I had to resolder the connection on as it had broke off in storage. But whilst looking at it, it must be a replacement heated screen as going by the triplex date code it is a 1976 piece of glass. Must admit rather annoying as the rest of the glass is all 75.

Though I looked at the blue Wolseley for comparison and it's glass is dated 1974 which I thought odd, or perhaps just an early build?

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:16 pm

Well I guarantee you one thing. No-one is going to notice the glass is 1976! My Ambo's rear glass as you may have read elsewhere was smashed during the previous ownership. The scrappie from whom we bought the car had a mate who had an old window in his yard. It's got someone else's etched reg number on it. I can't say whether anyone has noticed it but no-one has pointed it out to me...

When cars were made in 1975 they were not manufactured using the mmodern just-in-time supply of parts. I bet the wiring harness has 1974 on it as well!
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:41 pm

If no one's noticed your etching I don't think they'll notice my glass then haha :lol: I pay too much attention to little details as you may have guessed :lol:

I haven't checked the harness on the blue one but the backs of the blue ones door cards have a 1974 date stamped on them aswell so I guess that all ties in.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:42 pm

Managed to get the top stainless trim in today. The sides are much harder as you can't slide them up like the top and bottom.

I've got them most of the way there, just a couple of areas slipped out. I'm waiting on some curved pick/pry tools to hopefully flick the rubber back over fingers crossed. Hopefully the pictures show this.
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