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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:38 pm

do you think a repair on this would be sufficient? as long as the cable stuck to it

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Post by Gasman » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:12 pm

Well IMO yes & no! If you truly could get the cable to stick to the rod (which I think unlikely) then yes that would work fine but I wouldn't like to guarantee any longevity of the repair. I'm amazed how the original broke. I suspect Rovamota might have this part (hence my last post) but that of course is up to him!
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Post by rovamota » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:51 pm

You need this part, then?
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Post by Gasman » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:05 pm

That's what he needs! I'm on commission.
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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:43 pm

How when and where can I get this part? Please

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:28 pm

Is this part available?

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:07 am

the engine and gearbox are now put back into the car, but it will now not start or tick over, i had to replace the distributor as the cap and shaft were bent in the old one closing up the points, i bought an electric dizzy, the mechanics have spent a longtime trying to figure out why it will not run, the engine ran sweet before with no issues, are there silly things it could be? are the electronic dizzys troublesome witht these cars? is there anything in the gearbox that could cause a non starter?

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Post by Gasman » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:55 am

If it won't start it obviously will not tick over! We need a little more detail:

1) To start with the absolute basics I think you would have said if the engine won't turn over with the starter key. However, if that is the case, (& assuming the battery is OK!) there may be something wrong with your inhibitor switch. Forgive me for saying so but I am assuming the selector is in park. However, can the car be moved back & forward with the selector in Park. If it can, the selector cable is not properly adjusted and the inhibitor switch will prevent the engine turning over.

2) if the engine turns over you (or the mechanics) will have to go through logically. Is there a spark? If not, are the wires correctly on the coil and, indeed, is the coil the correct resistance for the electronic ignition. When I bought an electronic distributer + coil from Powerspark they sent the wrong coil (wrong resistance) - they denied it but a replacement of the correct resistance worked fine! If there's a spark, is the ignition timing reasonably correct and not 180 degrees out. Also, there are a lot of dodgy rotor arms out there that short out preventing the power getting to the plugs. If the spark's OK then is fuel getting to the carbs. My 6 cylinder needs plenty of choke to start it when cold. If, despite plenty of choke, it doesn't start are the plugs wet or dry. If dry, fuel may be getting to the carbs but it is not being atomised adequately. Are there any induction leaks (is the ign vacuum pipe on).


It's a matter of taking the time to go through it logically I am afraid.
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Post by beiderbecke » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:47 pm

Electric dizzy? I presume you mean an electronic one with a circular trigger? The module that screws to the baseplate must have heatsink under it.

But have I missed something? If it ran ok before with a bent dizzy shaft and you have replaced it why not now? Might be the dizzy is in the wrong place as Gasman suggests. Difficult to tell without being there...I agree with Gasman - just start from scratch again...

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Post by rickyv8 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:14 am

anyone with an auto box that works? i have had the autobox "rebuilt" by a specialist but now we are back to square one almost, oil/eninge/box heats up to normal temp and starts to slip or lose drive, revs perfect, and again with very little movement reverse or forward

another box required possibly?

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Post by Gasman » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:04 am

Further to the start of this thread, I presuppose the oil level is correct!

I thought your original problem was that it would slip going forwards but no problem reversing. Now it seems to be both going forwards and backwards. What did the 'specialist' replace during his rebuild. Normal reverse but slipping going forwards indicated a broken front clutch. No drive going backwards would indicate a broken rear clutch. That said, does the slipping going forwards occur irrespective of the selector being in 1, 2 or D?

To check the torque converter do a stall test. In a safe environment and with left foot firmly on the brake pedal with selector in 1 and then in R, apply full throttle. What happens to the engine revs? Do they go up a little, a lot or not at all? Do not stall the TC for more than 10 seconds or it will overheat, or, of course let the engine over-rev.

I'm sorry to repeat myself to not only regular readers on the forum but, indeed, to those who have read this thread from the start, but it is vital that Dexron-free oil is used. You need to ask the rebuilding 'specialist' what oil he used to fill up the auto box after repair. Borg Warner 35 boxes were not designed for the modern Dexron-containing oils which allow more slip in the clutches for smoother changes. Because they are not designed for that, over a short period of time, the clutches in the gearbox will burn out if Dexron is present.
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Post by rickyv8 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:33 am

both clutches have been replaced and bands, the torque converter may well have been replaced i will double check that, its going back into specialist on 23rd for them to have a look at it, the engine and box were sent to them and then refitted at another garage, so since getting it back the car has traveled 0 miles

also does anyone know how much oil should be in diff casing?

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Post by Gasman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:14 am

That's not what you expect or pay for from a so-called specialist.

The oil in the diff casing is confluent with the auto transmission oil. The total amount of oil, including an empty torque converter, is 7.4 litres. However, when you drain the autogearbox oil 2.9 litres will remain in the TC, so you will need 4.5litres to top it up to full (which includes the diff oil).

Hope that makes sense.
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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 am

The diff is empty with no oil in it, so does this fill up when oil level flows in from box?

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:22 am

Would there be any adjustment or movement on the selector cable?

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Post by Gasman » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:33 am

Yes, oil flows from the autotx box. What makes you think it is empty of oi?

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There is indeed adjustment on the selector cable. Maladjustment would mean you may not be able to get park, the starter inhibitor switch may not function as designed, you may not be able to select 1, possibly, even, you may not be able to select reverse but it would not cause slip in forward or reverse gears

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:54 pm

The guys working on the car have said there was an inspection hole in the top of the diff casing and it was empty and asked how much oil was to be in it, this may have been before the box was even filled and bled

I haven’t actually done any mechanical work to the car myself yet but I do have it back at with me until it goes back into gearbox specialist on Wednesday so I will do basic checks on it to see if they have missed something simple, but I checked oil level in box whilst cold and it seemed good

Any chance the one in the pic is going spare 😀

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by beiderbecke » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:18 pm

The automatic fluid level in the autobox is checked when the engine is at working temperature. When warm, apply footbrake and move selector lever through all positions, select P, apply handbrake, switch off engine, and then remove dipstick, wipe, insert and check level. The difference between high and low marks is 1 pint (about half a litre). Check level again after - DON'T OVERFILL! Otherwise it all comes out the dipstick tube...been there, done that just entering a show right at the entrance - gatekeeper wasn't half peeved...

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Post by beiderbecke » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:24 pm

:!: As an afterthought, there is some controversy over whether the engine should be on or off. I prefer it on but as your box is a bit dodgy I would switch it off...

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Post by Gasman » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:04 am

There's no inspection chamber/hole on the top of the diff! However, to be fair, with the drive shafts out you can stick your finger in the hole so can see whether there's any oil. As you say, I suspect this was before they filled the box with oil which I do after it's in the car (to save weight on the hoist).

Reasonable question to ask whether my box is for sale but the answer's no. The engine was being re-bored at the time and it's back in the car now complete with transaxle!

To Beiderbecke, we played out the great autotransmission-oil-level-checking saga at the beginning of this thread. I won't repeat it!
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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by Gasman » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:14 am

Forgot to add, I do urge you to ask your specialist what oil he put in. If he says it doesn't matter then I am afraid he doesn't understand B-W boxes and is likely to repeat his error.
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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by beiderbecke » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:09 pm

My humble apologies, Gasman, I must have missed that nugget...sackcloth and ashes?

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:39 am

back it has been to specialist, came back with all gears selecting but now it is back to square 1!!! warm oil and slipping occurs in all gears :x

anyone have a spare box? or really a nice engine and manual set up will do lol

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:59 pm

what brand is dexron free transmission fluid?

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by beiderbecke » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:10 pm

Jeez, that's tough going.

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Post by Gasman » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:20 pm

You need ATF or AQF type F for b-w and old Ford autoboxes. Comma make it but there are other makes available.

To do an exchange transfusion is expensive because you are unable to drain all the oil out of the auto box when you drain the auto sump as the oil remains in the torque converter. This means that you have to empty and refill 3 or 4 times to get rid of all the existing oil which is awfully expensive (you can work this out mathematically which I have done in a previous post on this forum). According to others far more knowledgeable than I, this may be futile anyway as once Dexron has caused the bands to slip the damage has allegedly been done.

I am no lawyer but if your expert has used Dexron he surely has to be liable for the damage caused.

As you may be aware, to change to manual transmission you need to change the engine as well as the engine block is different on an auto & manual. The end main bearing is different presumably to accommodate the torque converter/flywheel.

I am sorry for such a negative post.
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Post by rovamota » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:05 pm

I agree with Gasman. You need them to show you exactly what fluid they poured into the transmission.
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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:04 pm

The fluid is fine it’s comma aqf so it’s correct without dexron so that rules that out, it’s going back next Tuesday, they replaced all bands and clutches before and also torque converter, so unsure how much more can be replaced to solve this issue,

Kick down cable was jammed before so that’s why reverse was not working last time

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:39 pm

also off gearbox topic,

where can i get the correct coach lines for the sides? gold in this case

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Re: Princess 2200hls

Post by rickyv8 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:05 pm

Gearbox problem still resent, been an ongoing problem for a long time with the specialist no longer willing to fix it and give me my money back, they said they don’t think the clutches are burnt out but maybe an oil seal or valve body, desperation now as this is a good car in every other aspect

Tried to contact member with Wolseley project as he has spare engine and box but I may take everything to have another project as well

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