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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:26 pm

I'm always a bit apprehensive at MoT time. I have been away for a week and had forgotten the MoT on KWaKers was due on Wednesday this week so I put it in today without my doing the check over I normally do. No matter, it passed with flying colours for another year so I'm feeling chuffed about that.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:30 pm

Nobody is surprised with that result, really, it's a testament to your good stewardship.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:38 pm

Well it lives another year and for its 2nd MOT ever! lol Well done guys :)

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:11 pm

As Tony the Welder was coming to work on SMG today I got him to repair the rusty hole in the spare wheel well. I'll do a bit of grinding and then get round to painting it. There's one more bit of rust behind the rear wheel arch that needs a patch albeit it's in no way a structural problem. TtW isn't happy to fabricate that so I'll leave that to another time while I have a think about it.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:48 pm

Is it the water splashing up from underneath the car, or collecting under the spare that rots this bit out? Would a drain hole stop it happening, or make it worse?

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Post by Gasman » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:04 pm

Kwackers, you will remember, was sitting on a drive for yonks without a rear and side window. It was full of water when rescued! That's what caused this hole and it is, in fact, amazing there aren't more holes/rust. There is in fact a bung hole (or rather there was before the welding) which is to drain the paint when the bodyshell is dipped. In my view a drain hole will let in water from the rear tyres and cause more problem than it solves.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:10 pm

Oh of course, I'd forgotten about that part of it's history. What prompted me to wonder is that GBT has the same repair in the dim and distant past for rust in exactly the same place.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:51 pm

Just popped in to see how things where, glad to see all is well here :)

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:51 pm

There's always something. I had a Journo here to day to get info for an article in PC about a buyers' guide for Princess & Ambassador. He was taking lots of photos and whilst he was under the bonnet I noticed that the front O/S engine mount is disconnected! I haven't had time to investigate but I hope the threads in the ally primary gear train housing haven't pulled out. Easy fix if the threads are OK but the bracket doesn't really look as though there have been any bolts there for a while. I would have thought one of us would have spotted their absence if they weren't there when we got the car but certainly looking through my archive pictures at least one of the bolts is not there in a picture taken in September 2017 and looking at the angle of the bracket almost certainly both bolts were missing then.

So there's a job for next week then.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:28 pm

I have always advocated the removal of the large mounting bolt rather than the two set bolts in the alloy casing to obviate the problem of stripped threads...been there suffered that...

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Post by Gasman » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:40 pm

Investigated more today which is not good news. The top bolt hole on the clutch housing is broken and not much evidence that there's ever been a bolt in the lower hole. The bracket doesn't align with the engine mounting either. There's no evidence that the engine has been out before so I suspect the lower bolt was never put in or for some reason fallen out and that's put a big strain on the top bolt which has finally fractured the clutch housing.

Obviously the ideal fix is to take the engine out, take off the clutch housing and replace it with a 2nd hand one or have the existing one aluminium welded and the holes helicoiled or retapped. Either way that's quite a lot of work. However, I have a plan to make an equally permanent fix if not quite original spec. When all said and done I've got nothing to lose. I'll see if it works before I say more...

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Post by Gasman » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:03 pm

I drilled through the end of the broken bolt hole and also fettled on the under side to enable space for a nut. The lower bolt hole was cleaned out of grot of ages from not having a bolt in it and I found a correctly threaded bolt that would definitely reach the bottom of the thread. Unfortunately it was a bit too long so, rather than cut the bolt down, I have padded out with washers. It is not a perfect repair as there is no doubt the aluminium around the upper bolt hole is weakened where it was broken but I'm hoping that with the second bolt properly in place there will not be too much strain on the top one. Time will tell. I can't say I notice any difference in vibrations, on/off engine lurching with 4 engine mounts rather than the previous 3 but at least the engine is being held in the correct position now which surely must be good. Unusually for me I haven't repainted all the bits I needed to remove to get to the mounting. I'll do that at a later date.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:44 pm

That's quite surprising, but looks like a sensible fix. I wonder if it's possible to get the original casing aluminium welded in situ and then drilled and tapped as per factory rather than having to pull everything apart? Of course, if this repair works there's no need.

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Post by Gasman » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:52 pm

I think it would be possible to get someone to aluminium weld in situ but it would need precision drilling to get a helicoil in which I doubt would be possible in situ. Anyway, as you say I've got my fingers crossed that the current fix works; we'll see.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:56 pm

Hi all just popped on to see if any updates on the old girl :) hope all is well :)

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Post by Gasman » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:32 pm

All is fine, thank you Adam. I had the problem you can read below with one of the engine mounts which was all a bit odd but that is sorted for the moment at least. There are still lots of little (and not so little) jobs to do as I've had a lot of work to do on my other wedge but KWacKers is going well at the moment, famous last words.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:07 pm

Gasman wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:32 pm
All is fine, thank you Adam. I had the problem you can read below with one of the engine mounts which was all a bit odd but that is sorted for the moment at least. There are still lots of little (and not so little) jobs to do as I've had a lot of work to do on my other wedge but KWacKers is going well at the moment, famous last words.
Thats good to hear then :) always pop on from time to time to see whats going on, wasnt just about the money to me, i was interested in it, ive just picked up a lancia volumex hpe... a little worse for wear she'll we say lol.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:18 pm

I've had too much going on to be bothered much with cars recently but the fact that KWacKers' MoT is due at the end of June has made me book it in next week. The last two years there have been (copied from the MoT) 2 advisory notice item(s):
- Nearside Front steering gaiter perished
- boot floor corroded and hold (sic).

I had the small hole in the spare wheel well repaired a little while ago so that just left the steering rack gaiter. Looking carefully underneath the car it didn't look in the slightest perished to me but thought I ought to replace it anyway. After all, it's a simple job and what could possibly go wrong...

In fairness it wasn't difficult except that I couldn't get the front wheel off as it was stuck fast. I drove it down the road with care with the wheelnuts loose. Amazingly it was still stuck! I had to get out the hub puller which solved that problem. The rest of the swap was straight forward except, on examination of the old gaiter, there was absolutely no perishing! Hey ho.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:31 pm

Did you put a thin smear of copper grease on the back of the wheel/face of the hub when you put it back on? That'll stop it sticking. Suppose the gaiter advisory was a blessing in disguise really, imagine if you got a flat and needed to get the wheel off at the side of the road!

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Re: A500KWK

Post by steveb » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:14 pm

Vulgalour wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:31 pm
Did you put a thin smear of copper grease on the back of the wheel/face of the hub when you put it back on? That'll stop it sticking. Suppose the gaiter advisory was a blessing in disguise really, imagine if you got a flat and needed to get the wheel off at the side of the road!
You shouldn't use copper grease, it causes a reaction between the alloy wheel and steel making the problem worse. there is a sutiable grease available, section 2 here shows an example of what to use

https://www.arconic.com/alcoawheels/eur ... grease.pdf and

https://www.moderntyres.com/DatabaseDoc ... nglish.pdf
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Post by Gasman » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Yes Mr Vulgalour I had indeed put copaslip between the wheel and hub so, thank you SteveB for telling me I shouldn't! I must say I've never seen any apparent reactions as a result and I've been doing it for years with success but will change my technique on your advice which makes absolute sense. The reason the wheel didn't move when I loosened the nuts and drove the car round the block was a clue as to the problem which I had forgotten I'd had before with Kwakers. When the wheels were refurbed the paint must be quite thick in the central hole. such that the fit onto the hub is very tight. It was not the usual welding between the wheel & hub. The hub puller is now in the boot although, to be honest, that's why I pay for recovery insurance!
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:34 am

Thanks from me too! I'd never been told it was unsuitable for alloys so always did it by rote. That's something I'll be avoiding in the future.

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Post by Gasman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Good news KWacKers passed the new stiffer MoT although the tester has given it a whole new lot of advisories:

Suspension pipe damaged - all slightly corroded. Don't know what he is referring to as there is no damage I can see on either pipe (bit like the perished steering rack gaiter last year which had cured itself when I came to change it) - although there is very slight superficial corrosion - bit of wire brushing & paint for next year

Suspension arms corroded. - This is apparently because those somewhat substantial cast iron bits on the front suspension have lost their paint and must be in danger of corroding through in 1000 years. Bit of hammerite for next year to stop it falling to pieces.

Oil leak not excessive. This is fair enough although is very slight in comparison with many Princesses - this is part of the new test - SMG is worse but doesn't need an MoT….

Seat belt anchorages in prescribed area corroded but not excessive. I'll have to look at this. I presume it must be where the rear lower straps are attached because it can't be the front belts which are inside the car and look fine.

I'll try and do these jobs in the summer months so it's done in good time for next year; that means they will be able to produce a new exciting list then.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:07 pm

I've been looking at the special Alco grease for the alloy wheels. £36.70! Bit too pricey for me.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by steveb » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 pm

I think I still have some ...
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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:22 am

Well after a quick read up, all still going well, and i do think the new mot rules are abit stupid some of them... but hey ho, what do we know. Glad to see she's still being looked after :) Be great to come see it some day! I always bring it up in conversation with me mates lol.

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Post by Gasman » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:27 pm

It's been a long time since my last update on KWacKers. It is going to be at the Practical Classics Classic Car & Restoration Show 22nd to 24th March 2019. Although its condition does not match its mileage (13+ thousand) it's still quite presentable. However the slam panel has a lot of patches of surface rust with paint bubbling etc so I'm going to tackle that in time for the show, hopefully.

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In fact, the picture flatters it! The first stage is to get all the paint off and attack the rust patches, all of which, as I said above, are superficial only. So out comes the tufted wire drilly thingey that attaches to the angle grinder. The remaining paint is so thin on the slam panel that this gets down to bare metal with a minimum of effort except in the corners. It's very important to wear eye protection when using this tool as bits of wire tend to fly off and embed themselves onto your person. I use my painting respirator which protects the face as well and stops me inhaling the old paint dust/rust as well.

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I'm not quite sure what to do with the VIN plate to tidy it up. It is quite badly corroded and already has some of the black paint missing so any cleaning process is going to lose more paint from it. I know you can get replacement ones made up but am reluctant to go down that route as I suspect the font of the VIN would not be correct. Any suggestions?

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Hopefully another update tomorrow.
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Post by Montegoman » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:55 pm

You have made a nice job of cleaning it up. I shall look forward to seeing the finished article at the Resto Show.

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Post by Gasman » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:49 pm

You'll know whether it is up to standard because the bonnet may then be open (although Rovamota doesn't like open bonnets and he's the boss).
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Post by Gasman » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:24 pm

Zinc-primered today...

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Post by Gasman » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:53 pm

Sloshed on a first coat of Oporto today. It's certainly starting to look better than when I started....

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Post by Gasman » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:06 pm

Not quite finished re-assembly yet - waiting for paint to dry on the radiator fixing brackets.

I have not done well on the VIN plate. I knew if I tried any sort of polish the black paint would come off first so I thought I would use a bit of chemistry to remove the Aluminium Oxide deposits. Unfortunately you need Hydrochloric acid to do that which I thought too drastic. NaOH in drain cleaner will also dissolve aluminium oxides but unfortunately also tends to dissolve the Aluminium as well so that's not much use. That was limit of my chemical knowledge so I gave up on chemistry and thought I'd resort to a calcium deposit remover (Viakal). This contains formic and citric acid but a quick google search was not enlightening so I just tried it. After a few minutes it was obvious that it was also lifting the black paint so I gently washed it off and gave up. It has removed some of the corrosion but clearly not my best work!

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The VIN plate before & after!

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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:34 pm

:P Coo - slam panel looks good though...

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Post by Gasman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:44 pm

Thanks,Beiderbecke. I'm quite pleased with the result. It's not perfect but so much better than it was which hit you as soon as you opened the bonnet. I've now decided to tackle the front panel below the bumper which I wasn't going to do before the NEC but I've got a month....

As usual photos mislead: there are a great number of rusty chips and spiders which are not really apparent in the 'before' picture. Anyway, bumper off and get rid of all the scabby bits of rust. It's all superficial and spiders under the paint, nothing structural.
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That's all I'm doing today. Not sure when next update will be as I'm quite busy during half-term week what with one thing and another.
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Post by Gasman » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:52 pm

Had a bit of time today so managed to get some zinc oxide on and them some build-up primer ready for next job of flatting off:

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Post by Gasman » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:37 am

Lovely day today down south so found time to put a bit of top coat on. Reasonably happy so far.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:05 pm

That's looking great now. For the vin plate, could you get someone with a vinyl cutter to make a sticker from a scan of the plate? That way you can either use pre-cut black vinyl to replace the paint, or use it as a mask to keep the bits you want kept unpainted before painting the plate. A coat of lacquer afterwards should then prevent future corrosion. Not exactly factory, I imagine it's a 'tampo' type process when they're originally made, but it should give you a close approximation.

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Post by 100 Club » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:21 pm

You could have tried Coca Cola or pickling vinegar on the VIN plate.

I am fairly sure that one of the Mini specialists can do exact replicas of the original VIN plates, even down to the correct reverse-embossed numbers.
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Post by bigd » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:23 pm

Cracking job :)

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Post by Gasman » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:05 pm

Thanks Derek.

Never thought of coke Paul. Bit late now. Mind you, might have dissolved altogether! The trouble with the Mini club VIN plates that I have seen they are not the same as mine - nearly but not quite. However, I might order one from them because they do offer a stamping service which they say looks authentic. Whether anyone would spot the difference I'm not sure. Authenticity is why I don't want to go with a vinyl sticker one, Angyl.

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Post by rovamota » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:37 am

Nothing wrong with vinyl stickers...
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:30 pm

I agree there's nothing wrong with vinyl stickers in the right place but not for a VIN plate.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:01 pm

That's why you can use the negative of the sticker as a masking template and then use paint for a more factory look. Or get a permanent marker and colour the black back in where it's missing ;)

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:05 am

My apologies, I completely misread (or rather misunderstood) your post Mr Vulgalour. That would indeed work and I know a vinyl sticker enthusiast who could probably do the vinyl bit for me... However, I have now found a Mini specialist (as 100club suggested) who does an exact copy and stamps them with (he says) original font as well but he's incredibly expensive. I'm still thinking about it!
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:35 pm

Beautiful day here again. Hope it's been good where you are! Just about finished the front titivation on KWaKers. It's always good fun putting things back together again. As expected the colour match is far from perfect and because of the rust at the bottom front surface of the wings I couldn't use the natural seam to mask up to and have had to blend in. I'm not sure it will be that noticeable but under the lights at the NEC... BTW, I'm sorry about only cleaning half the bonnet before I took the photos:



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Re: A500KWK

Post by Tony c » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:05 pm

It looks pretty good, the lights in the NEC are terrible anyway so I wouldn’t worry about that.
I’ve looked at replica/replacement vin plates and I’ve found them ludicrously expensive and not really a true representation so I’ve left it be for now!.
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Post by Gasman » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:04 pm

Getting KWacKers ready for the NEC show next week. As soon as I got it outside to clean, it started raining. As soon as it went back into the garage it stopped again. Typical. Whatever, I hope it'll be alright on the night...
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Re: A500KWK

Post by stephenmunro » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:06 pm

Looks great Martin top job well done.

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