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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:26 pm

Ian's a good egg, if he says he wants to drive the car he'll do his level best to make it happen and he'll treat your car with respect, even if it's something he doesn't like. Fortunately, he really likes BL stuff so you'd be in very good hands. We're hoping that at some point he can have a proper drive of my Princess, the last time we tried it wasn't very happy and did its level best to make sure it lived up to all of the stereotypes it could, and then drove perfectly fine all the way home. I reckon it was stage fright.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Fri May 10, 2019 4:34 pm

Even though the ride in KWacKers is fine I've decided it's time to get the displacers re-gassed; after all they are 35 years old. At the same time I can sort out some of the 'rusty suspension parts' that were advisories on last year's MOT, due again at the end of June. Started today on the front O/S. The displacer chamber was plentifully stocked with spiders + webs but that cleaned out nicely. I cleaned up the drop arm and bump stop bracket and they've been resprayed with best Hammerite. I really want the lower wishbone off the car to clean it up but it is well stuck in to the front bush. So plenty more WD40 and I'll have another go tomorrow along with dismantling the other side. Then, on to the dreaded rear pivot shafts....


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Re: A500KWK

Post by rovamota » Sat May 11, 2019 7:53 pm

You do know we never do concourse competitions? A shiny upper arm will not win.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Sat May 11, 2019 8:22 pm

Well I understand that & I'm certainly not into polishing the inside of the exhaust pipe. BTW you can't spell concours… It'll still look good when I've finished, like SMG:


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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Sun May 12, 2019 1:06 pm

But first I have to finish. I am having trouble getting the front displacer out on the near side. I am having extraordinary difficulty in splitting the N/S upper ball joint. I normally prefer the scissors type splitter which has never failed me before but tightening up to a force where I was concerned the splitter would explode got me nowhere. Obviously oodles of WD40 had been used so I moved to a fork type. Once I had widened the fork opening with the angle grinder to fit the width of the ball joint I used ever larger hammers with no joy. Next stage is to try some heat so I went to use Mrs Gasman's kitchen blowtorch but discovered that was irredeemably buggered. I don't have a blow torch of my own so will have to rectify that tomorrow. Machinemart here I come. If the easy front end is like this I dread to think what the rear pivot shafts are going to be like when I get round to that! Hey ho - do you ever wish you hadn't started something...


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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Sun May 12, 2019 7:35 pm

;) I opined my view of this problem to you this morning...

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Sun May 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Beiderbecke's opinion is my final option if heat doesn't work. That is, chop through the shaft (easy with the angle grinder) and then replace the upper ball joint on reassembly. Mind you, I've still got to split the joint but at least I can get it to someone with a multi-ton hydraulic press...
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon May 13, 2019 8:50 pm

Thankfully I haven't had to resort to the Beiderbecke approach. A blow torch and lots and lots of heat and some heavy bonking sorted it. So the front ones are going off for re-gassing tomorrow whilst I start on dismantling the rear which, as I've said before, I am not looking forward to.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by bigd » Mon May 13, 2019 9:04 pm

Heavy Bonking I thought by now Martin Heavy Bonking would be just a dream :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon May 13, 2019 10:28 pm

Well, obviously not, Derek...
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue May 14, 2019 4:27 pm

Bit busy doing other things today but had a couple of hours so started on the dismantling the rear suspension. I was originally just going to take the displacers off for re-gassing. However, to annoy Rovamota who doesn't like concours, I'm going to take the radius arms off, and later the cross tube when I do the other side, so I can tart them up.

So, how did I get on? I took great care with the 6 bolts attaching the cross tube mounting rubber. They all looked well rusted so I used a technique taught to me by my (automotive engineer) brother. Oodles of WD40 loosen a tiny amount, re-tighten, repeat, more wd40, repeat gradually increasing the loosening and re-tightening and having plenty of patience. Not foolproof but usually works. Anyway, that got the 4 smaller bolts out safely. The 2 bigger ones to the body were no problem at all. Unfortunately, trying to loosen the big inner nut on the pivot shaft the outer one undid. On loosening, the displacer was solid on the pivot shaft which didn't bode well. I thought I could knock the pivot shaft out (hopefully) from outside in but the bracket on the crosstube prevents that. In fact tapping the pivot shaft shows it is easily free so I just need to lock it so I can take the inner nut off. Flexie brake tube disconnected OK. Brake drum off but ran out of time to disconnect the handbrake and forgot that the displacer tube also needs disconnecting! So this side (O/S) going better than feared. I'm busy now (04.30 start tomorrow!) until the week-end so will continue then.

I'm not sure how much Ian Kennedy charges for all this labour but I would suggest it's probably good value for money. It would save a lot of hassle! Not as satisfying though.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Fri May 17, 2019 4:46 pm

Bit more work today. Two things have so far defeated me although I've still been able to disassemble. I can't get the little clip off that secures the handbrake cable to the back plate. Got round that by taking the back plate off! The other thing is the rebound strap securing pivots. I managed to get one undone (which is all I need) but can't get the other pin out for love nor money. Also the hydraulic pipe which I had forgotten to undo was fiendishly tight. I think I'm getting weak in old age. I jammed a spanned on one side of the union and added a 1 metre pipe extension to the other spanner for a bit of leverage. However, the dreaded pivot shaft fell out with just a bit of finger pressure...

So, just the other side to do then.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Fri May 17, 2019 7:28 pm

:D A large slice of luck with the pivot shaft then...

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Fri May 17, 2019 7:50 pm

What do you mean, luck? Sheer skill. Don't know how I do it really.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Fri May 17, 2019 9:29 pm

:lol: No...I don't suppose you do, really...

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 pm

Did some work this morning before domestic duties took over although forgot to take any pictures.

Started work on the N/S rear. Again all the 6 cross tube mounting fixation bolts were seriously rusted in but patience is a virtue and all out without shearing any. However, when removing the flexie brake pipe from the radius arm the bracket rivets snapped. Not paying attention and too much brute force. That's easily fixed on re-assembly though . Again I couldn't get the little handbrake cable clip off so took off the back plate. The pivot shaft is completely free but I'm blowed if I can undo the hydraulic flexi tube from the metal pipe. I ran out of time so that's the only thing to do now before I can send off the rears to the Kennedys.

Whilst looking underneath noticed that the rear silencer has blown on its rear face. At least I've got a spare system.

There's always something!
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon May 20, 2019 4:47 pm

Whilst the front displacers are being re-gassed I've been trying to get the N/S rear displacer out. The pivot shaft came out easily but I am completely unable to undo the connection between the flexie pipe from the displacer to the metal hydraulic pipe. I have now just about run out of ideas. My last resort will be to cut the metal pipe under the passenger floor where it should be easy to put in a compression joint. Anybody got any ideas?!

Beiderbecke popped over in Vermy, his lovely Vermillion 2200HLS, on Sunday. He told me how to remove the handbrake cable from the rear plate which I was trying to do incorrectly. Easy his way, thank you! He also challenged me to weld the little brake hose bracket that I snapped off back onto the radius arm myself. That was a laugh! I dug out my old Weldmate 140 arc welder - no MIG or TIG at Maurice Garages. It hasn't seen the light of day for 30 odd years. I never was any good and let's just say, after 30 years I haven't improved. However, an angle grinder can disguise a multitude of sins and then a bit of Hammerite over it and it still looks awful but I'll tell you one thing. It's not going to drop off.

Meanwhile, I've been getting bits cleaned off and repainted. Another job I've been putting off is treating the inside of the petrol tank. I know it's rusty and I've got a 3 part kit to clean, treat and protect it but the tank does obviously need to be off the car. I'll probably regret it but now seems an appropriate time.

So that's tomorrow's jobs sorted.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Mon May 20, 2019 7:25 pm

Put a wooden block between the left-hand spanner and the wooden plank underneath and hit the right-hand spanner smartly?

And 8 out of ten for the welding attempt...mind you I can't weld either...and I have some appropriate compression joints too...

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

OK. What will that do? The left hand spanner is already resting on the plank which is why it's there.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by rovamota » Mon May 20, 2019 7:43 pm

Good work. It's times like these when we all wish we had a nice post lift instead of scrabbling on the floor with the car just about far enough off the ground to work under. A coat of paint hides a multitude of sins, and your Hammerite looks thick enough. I didn't know you had a welder.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Mon May 20, 2019 8:37 pm

Oh my apologies...

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue May 21, 2019 3:13 pm

The front displacers came back today. Ian Kennedy does provide a very efficient service.

I used my brother's Christmas present to cut through the metal suspension pipe under the passenger seat where there is plenty of space for a compression joint repair. It's a Dremel flexible drive for little cutting discs, wire brushes etc and slightly more refined than the angle grinder. Once it was off the car it was surprisingly and annoyingly easy to undo the joint. In a way it's no bad thing cutting the pipe because it is quite rusty (it was an advisory in the MoT last year) and it will be easier to clean it up. Mind you, I'll have to clean up the other side's pipe as well. I'll do that when I've got it back together and I can put the car over the pit.

Still got the petrol tank to do!


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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Tue May 21, 2019 8:26 pm

:P That's a good result then. What a wizzo little tool. Got a compression joint?

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue May 21, 2019 9:54 pm

Got a compression joint?
Haven't looked yet. I'll have a look tomorrow. There's no urgency as there's plenty to do first.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Wed May 22, 2019 6:31 pm

Finished the front N/S except final tightening (which needs to be when the car is at working height). I got the drop arm back in when I suddenly remembered the front & rear knuckle joints are different. Yes, you've guessed it, on checking I had put the N/S rear one in the front so had to take the drop arm out again and put the correct one in. At least I remembered they were different although the differences are quite subtle. Hey ho.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Tue May 28, 2019 4:15 pm

Back to work today after a nice family week-end.

Firstly I spent a LOT of time cleaning up all the bits, nuts, bolts and washers to re-assemble the rear suspension. I'd already cleaned & Hammerited the radius arms, cross tube, backplate and drums. I get a lot of stick for this from people who shall remain nameless with the general gist being that it's a complete waste of time. I don't disagree that it does takes a lot of time but it means everything is rebuilt as if new so I don't think it's a waste of time. Copaslip goes everywhere, on every nut, bolt and bush and then when it is all re-assembled and torqued up it'll get covered in Waxoyl to preserve. Next time it needs to be dismantled for any reason it should make life a lot easier (FLW).

After all that lot I only managed to get one side mostly back together. Well the suspension is all back together on the N/S but I've still got the metal hydraulic pipe to clean and re-join, and the brakes to re-assemble, blah, blah, blah...

As there's no evidence the exhaust is actually blowing, despite the rust hole on the rear face of the rear silencerI've decided that the exhaust is going to have a temporary repair (also known as a bodge) to get it through the MOT (hopefully) and I'm also going to get it all back together before I tackle the petrol tank.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by bigd » Tue May 28, 2019 6:08 pm

It’s all looking good Martin ,

I got the Princess though it’s MOT the other day
I go in for the DCR opp on Thursday so I will be looking all bruised again next week good luck with your ambo MOT too

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Post by Gasman » Tue May 28, 2019 7:49 pm

Thanks, Derek. Good luck with the DCR on Thursday and hope it all goes better than last time. I could sing you a song: Two lovely black eyes..... Perhaps not.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:41 pm

Bit of a disaster today. It's all gone back together very nicely but unfortunately on torqueing up (very carefully, as it happens, and whilst it was still only at 20 lbs ft) the Crosstube mounting rubber to body bolts on the N/S both stripped their threads. Worse, it wasn't the bolts but the captive nuts which are completely enclosed. So, I'll have to re-tap them a larger size and get some similar sized high tensile bolts. All a bit of a bugger but hey ho, it's all character building. I need to buy a tap & die set first!


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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:04 pm

My set goes up to M12x1.75. Any good?

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Post by Gasman » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:10 pm

Kev's getting me one from Mr Draper thank you
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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:22 pm

Today was my last opportunity to work on KWacKers before my annual boating holiday. I wanted to rectify the stripped threads on the captive nuts which hold the crosstube mounting rubber in place on the N/S. I picked up my new tap & die set from Mr Draper yesterday so set to to re-tap the nuts the next size up(M12). Only then did it dawn on me that there was limited room to firstly drill out the nut to the correct size for the tap and secondly to have enough room to turn the tap. To achieve this, my starting point was that I did not want to pull out the pivot shafts having carefully re-assembled them:

I couldn't get enough clearance without undoing the cross tube on the offside so the whole thing was free to move out of the way. Trouble was I still couldn't get enough clearance without undoing the suspension flexie joint and brake flexie pipe on the N/S all of which had been lovingly re-assembled... This didn't seem like progress and I was getting progressively more & more grumpy.

Eventually, I did manage to move the crosstube sufficiently out of the way such that I could get the drill square on to the nut (which, of course, is vital). However, that part completed successfully, it was only possible to turn the tap 90 degree at a time, then take off the handle and replace it so I could do another 90 and so on. Incredibly tedious but eventually successful. Next worry was that because the bolts were bigger than standard, taking a 19mm socket rather than 17, I was concerned I wouldn't be able to get the socket on the bolt head in the confined space of the mount. That worry was unfounded; just.

So, the crosstube is now back in place and all (VERY) carefully torqued up both sides although I'm slightly concerned that I've not pre-tensioned the O/S correctly. On removing the jack supporting the radius arm at 11.2" the O/S has dropped much more than it did on the near side so I'll have to re-check that after my hols.


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Re: A500KWK

Post by rovamota » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:06 pm

That's all looking very neat and smart Martin, a very good job you've done there.
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Post by Gasman » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:37 pm

Sometime ago I wrote an article for the Vanden Plas Owners' Club (of which I am a member) bi-monthly magazine called Carriagecraft along with a photograph for the front and rear cover. I didn't think they would accept it as I do understand poor old KWacKers isn't really a 'proper' VP model. Not a bit of it. They welcomed the article with open arms. I remember when I thought of joining the Wolseley Owners' Club a few years ago in contrast they were decidedly sniffy, albeit I do think they might have changed their ideas now. The article is out this month so a bit more exposure for Ambassadors even though I suspect that some owners in the VPOC may be less than chuffed to see it!


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Post by rovamota » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:14 pm

Good to see the cars getting exposure elsewhere.
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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:26 pm

wow some good progress guys, i pop on from time to time... let me know if you decide to sell, ive got a bigger better yard now and would love to have it back now i have more room :) Thanks

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Post by Gasman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:52 pm

Thanks for the comment Adam. Afraid KWacKers isn't for sale at the moment!
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Re: A500KWK

Post by VauxPartsUK » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:30 pm

I know mate, i didnt mean now, i meant in future :)

Ive just picked up a Metro, which someone has made into a pick up... which needs suspension pumped up, but not sure where to get it done.

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Post by Gasman » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:23 pm

http://www.hydragas.co.uk/find.html list people with hydrolastic pumping up equipment. The nearest one to you seems to be:

Dartford Motors
156 Upper Heath Lane
Dartford
Kent
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01322 224242
www.dartfordmotors.com

It's an old web-site so may be out-of-date I'm afraid. Their website does not seem to be currrently working.

Anybody know anyone near Dartford with a pump?
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Post by Gasman » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:13 pm

I've been rather busy in June (for a retired gentleman) so haven't had much time for any work in the garage. However, as I'm probably going to Gaydon on Sunday in KWacKers, whose MoT ran out at the end of June, I thought I needed to get everything back together so I could put it in for the test. Apart from the final tightening after the re-gassing of the suspension, I wanted to clean the metal fuel, suspension & brake pipes pipes which had surface rust on them which was an advisory last year as well as sorting out the exhaust leak.

I suppose it served me right trying to bodge the exhaust leak; it didn't go well. I filled the hole with exhaust tape and GumGum and left it overnight to cure. In the morning I started it up so the heat could do its business. All that happened was the whole repair blew out onto the floor looking up at me... I was glad I hadn't been tempted to sell my spare NOS system that I bought from Beaulieu a few years ago. Getting the old silencers off was not easy as the join was well welded together but it eventually succumbed and fell off. Unfortunately, the new one is some unheard of make so I doubt it will last terribly long despite being unused. It was also bloody difficult removing the stainless steel finishing pipe (that I got cheap from the NEC last year) off the old system. Next was to wire brush all the other pipes to get rid of the (surface only) rust and then dollop on some Hammerite antirust paint to protect for the future.

When I was removing the rear suspension I had to replace one of the flexie brake pipes so couldn't use clamps on them to prevent having to bleed the brakes on re-assembly. This was the last job I had to do. I bleed the brakes like they do in the factory by pressurising the system (18 PSI) and opening the bleed valves in turn, furthest first. No faffing about with an assistant on the brake pedal and you don't tend to be troubled by airlocks! Easy Peasy.

I've still got the petrol tank to remove, clean out and treat but that's going to have to wait until I have another bout of excess enthusiasm.

I am afraid I was very lazy and didn't take any photos of any of the above work.

So, it was MoT time this morning. It was a while-I-wait job which was a bit of a mistake as it took the bloke 1 1/2 hours with the garage situated in an area with no WiFi and extremely poor 3G/4G coverage so I was bored silly with no modern technology to play with. Whatever, it passed with the fairly long list of advisories from last year all removed and no new ones added. All the cleaning work I have been doing underneath has at least been worth while. As the not-very-approachable tester said to me: "that's all OK. See you next year"!
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Re: A500KWK

Post by beiderbecke » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:39 pm

:lol: See? I said it'll be alright...

What's the name of the exhaust system?

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Vulgalour » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:58 pm

I have all this to look forward too. I hope it goes somewhere near as smoothly as it has for you and that the end result is even half as smart. Going to have to up my tidying game.

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Post by Gasman » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:37 pm

Beiderbecke, indeed you did but you forget I am much more pessimistic than your cheerful self... I should have taken a picture of the exhaust then I would remember the name. As it is it is on the top surface of the first silencer so now it's all in place I can't see it!

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Post by Gasman » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:58 pm

Coming back from Gaydon KWaKers konked out 3 times. Engine just spluttered a bit and then cut out completely. It has done this before several times but I thought I had cured it. It only happens after about 1 to 1 1/2 hrs fast road motoring 65-70 mph. On stopping the fuel filter is empty. No vacuum in the tank. If I wait 30 seconds or so it will almost immediately restart until the next time. Once it has done it once, repeat episodes happen every 15 minutes or so. There are lots of things that don't add up with the signs and symptoms but I am basically changing everything on the fuel side. The fuel tank is now out and has been degreased and cleaned today ready for protective rust inhibitor treatment tomorrow with fuel tank specific coating to be applied after that. [I'm using POR15]. The fuel sender and fuel pump don't look too bad but I will change for NOS from my spares cache albeit it's not one for a VP with low fuel warning light. The various bits of rubber piping have all been changed on re-commissioning for modern high pressure tubing resistant to ethanol etc. I have changed the fuel pump relay and will change the oil pressure sender as it's cheap to do even though there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the current one (which was also replaced new on re-commissioning). The filter is clean and new. Not sure what else I can change!

Whilst I'm doing this I thought I'd investigate why I can't tighten the alternator belt sufficiently to stop the belt squeaking when the charge is high. What I discovered is that a have a seized pivot shaft. No, not on the rear suspension(!), that's all been sorted, but on the long alternator bolt which is completely seized in it's housing. This means the alternator can't swivel to allow it to tighten. It also means you can't remove the alternator normally, having to remove the mounting bracket which is easy enough but means moving the PAS pump which is in the way. All a bit of a faff!

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Re: A500KWK

Post by bigd » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:01 am

Hi Martin

The joys of classic motoring eh!!, I had the same trouble once on the ambassador and I traced it back to the oil pressure sender unit they are supposedley all linked up together , in other words if its faulty it will interupt the fuel pump from working thats the way I understood it .

Also on one occasion the inline fuel filter was breaking up causing debris to enter the carbs fitted new filter job done .IS the tank clean and rust free inside good luck anyway I am sure you will sort it .

Regards Derek :D :D

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Post by Gasman » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 am

Thanks for the input Derek.

That's why I'm changing the oil pressure sender just in case. The wiring relies on oil pressure (except when the starter is turning) otherwise it turns off the fuel pump to save the engine. A bit too clever for it's own good IMO! It's why I've changed the relay as well. It's a bit of a long shot but…. The tank is definitely a bit rusty which is why I am treating that. I changed the fuel filter even though the last one hadn't been in long and wasn't in the slightest dirty with rust from the tank. Again, just in case.
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Post by Gasman » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:13 pm

So today I've been treating the inside of the fuel tank with zinc phosphate metal preservative and carefully washing it out ready for drying thoroughly tomorrow so I can put in the definitive tank sealer in to line the inside of the tank. So that job is progressing.

I've put in a new oil pressure sender. I did notice what looks like a small crack in the oil pump housing but it doesn't seem to have been leaking oil but I'll have to keep an eye on that. Fortunately, this part is available quite cheaply on eBay and more expensively from Rimmers so I shall get one in case it fails at a later date.

I've been cleaning up and repainting a few bits on the way ready for re-assembly


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Post by Gasman » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:13 pm

The inside of the tank has now been sealed with POR15 tank sealant. It's funny stuff. I spilt a bit on the gravel pouring it into the filler. When it set it really was like concrete so it should be good. The pictures I took inside the tank are not very good I am afraid but it looks to have had a fairly even spread of the sealant. I now have to leave it 4 days before adding petrol into the tank but I can clean up the outside tomorrow and get it back in the car.

I forgot to say yesterday, I managed to free my seized pivot shaft on the alternator. Not quite as bad as a 'proper' pivot shaft but quite difficult all the same. WD40 rules. Alternator has had a bit of a clean up ready for refitting.

Lastly, Beiderbecke has kindly been giving my KWaKers banner a bit of a face-lift, losing the bulky white wooden corner pieces with snazzy chrome jobbies and, at his suggestion, painting the feet in Oporto Red.

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Adrian » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:23 pm

Wow ! Such dedication !
Well done fella, job well done, and award yourself a gold star !!

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Re: A500KWK

Post by Gasman » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:06 pm

I cleaned off the rust from the outside of the tank and painted with Hammerite. Would you believe on the hottest day of the year, I'd just got the first coat on and out of the blue it rained great big drops of rain quite heavily for about 3 minutes. Long enough to adversely affect the result! Whatever, the sun then came out and I could rectify the problem. When all said and done not a lot of people are going to see it especially on the top! As an aside, the tanks has a quite big dent in the top of it. There was absolutely no evidence it has ever been removed so was presumably put on like that! Good old BL quality control...

I've not got a lot of time tomorrow but I should be able to get the alternator and PAS pump back on etc. That won't take long so may be able to get the tank back in as well. We'll see.


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