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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:30 am

Well now you've had a bit of practice the front one should be a doddle (or maybe not). It's worth the effort though because the 18-22 style metal inserts look the business.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Vulgalour » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:45 pm

Excellent progress here, really can't fault anything, and I'll stick my vote in for brown vinyl (not that it matters at this point). I see you had the same thought I did on the rear parcel shelf speakers, pretty sure BL planned to actually do this, there's the holes and mounting points already cut in the rear shelf, and even stamped into the board of the parcel shelf trim.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:41 pm

I really hope the front trims go in much easier haha :lol:

Indeed I had noticed that there is already holes for 2 normal speakers or a larger oval speaker in the centre of the rear shelf so I thought I would make use of them :D

Today I decided I would fit the new rear bumper as it has the rubber fitted and just fitted the nos fog lamps. However the brackets must be in the wrong place as there's a nice gap on one side and its pressing against the body on the other side almost :(
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Re: Project KPK

Post by rovamota » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:35 am

Those bumpers never do fit properly and on some you can see that the inner corners have be grinded out before chroming so they just fit. This was particularly evident on early cars.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:21 pm

Oh damn, I had feared this as the original bumper looks like it had been ground alittle. I've fettled it the best that I can and it is still tight on the drivers side, though it's not touching the body I can slip a thin piece of card in between. So aslong as it's not touching the body I'll try and live with it for now. Once all this Virus situation has settled down I'll have the original re chromed and swap the rubbers :D

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Post by Gasman » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:31 pm

You learn something new every day, I didn't know about the bumpers needing grinding. When I re-commissioned SMG I had both bumpers re-chromed so I didn't have any re-fitting problems. They were pretty expensive though although they made a good job of them.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:13 pm

Took the Bumper off again today and gave the centre brackets a little persuasion with the grips.
Much better fit now :D

Also, what's the 3 cables out the back for. One singe orange/red or maybe even plain red cable into a single connector. And two cables red/black into a single connector. I know one is for the number plate lamp. What would the other one be for?

I've already got wiring there for the Fog lamps so I've potentially ruled that out :oops:

Excuse the mess, I need to have an entire day just tidying up around the Garage :oops:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:11 pm

In no particular order:

by definition, if you can tidy the garage in a day it's obviously not in much of a mess...

it'll look good when you put that number plate on; or then, maybe not.

mine's only got one wire coming out for a single number plate light. The red/orange is for 1 number plate light. The Haynes manual wiring diagram has a second light supplied by a red/black although it's not in the manual! That still wouldn't explain a third red/black wire. I suspect your theory will be the correct one.

Knowing your obsession with originality are the reverse light/reflector lens the later sort?
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Finchyman » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:01 pm

You reminded me of when I had a P reg Wolseley (KLU33P) and a N reg Morris (JAV309N) at the same time in the 1990s. The Morris had the angled reflectors at the back and no triangle bracing panels in the rear corners under the back seat, however the Wolseley had the later lights and the braces. I think I should use my memory for more constructive things than this.....
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Post by John Steed » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:24 pm

Haha It can't be too much of a mess then. Just some cardboard boxes to dispose of and bits of packaging etc :)

The rear number plate i'm just about to remake, I've already remade the front plate as I have a box of nos unipart metal plate blanks. So i used the old front as a template for drilling the holes, and then re-used the original digits, I'm going to do the same with the rear, so at least I retain the original digits :D

Ahh that makes sense regarding the cables, as I did notice there was provision on the bumper for extra number plate lamps :D

The rear lights confused me at first, as you have just mentioned I assumed there was just the early type and later type, but I've now discovered there are 3 types. There's the early type rear lights with the angled reflectors, and the later type with the flat normal reflectors. But I've only just noticed the very early units have 4 bulbs whereas the later style only have 3 bulbs. But looking at the original White car's lamps, they are the later style but must be an early revision also with 4 bulbs. So out of sheer luck the nos later units I have, have the 4 bulbs in. It appears these ones and the early ones also have the reflector as an extra tail lamp. I've noticed this style seem to be hard to come across though as the majority of the later style just have the 3 bulb slots. I'm guessing Leyland must have removed the extra tail lamp for some reason, if anyone knows?

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Post by rovamota » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:01 pm

The extra lamp was removed for cost reasons as it was deemed unnecessary. Harris Mann told me that.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:41 pm

Thanks Kev. Love to know all these little pieces of information :D

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Post by Gasman » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:27 pm

The reflector lens changed very early on half way through 18-22 production (chassis number 8971 - last 18-22 19238). I think the change from 4 bulb to 3bulb was when P2 production started. The former would explain why finchyman's May registered Morris had the early type and the P registered Wolseley registered Aug 75 i.e. one of the very last had the later type.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:40 pm

I still haven't got a heritage certificate for the Blue Wolseley although I'm guessing it having the 1974 dated glass/trim and the early style rear lights would point to it being an early build. The White Wolseley I do have a certificate for, It was built on 1st July 1975, despatched on the 11th July to Kennings Car Mart Limited, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. And Registered on 22nd September 1975

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Re: Project KPK

Post by steveb » Fri May 01, 2020 1:18 pm

My 1976 HLS has the 4 bulb tail lights, it confuddled the MOT tester one year as it lights the rear reflector
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue May 12, 2020 12:28 pm

Been continuing to add parts over the last few days. Wiper linkage and motor all cleaned up and reinstalled and also repainted the wiper arms :D

Little front end shot also, ignore the Scruffy looking chap haha :lol:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue May 12, 2020 7:04 pm

Fitted the windscreen today

Fitted the rubber to the glass first, then the stainless trim to the rubber, which fitted perfect to my surprise :D :lol:

Fitted to the car and almost perfect however it's not pulled in 100% perfect at the bottom passenger corner, though I suspect this is because this corner was rotten and was cut out and repaired, I'm assuming the shape is not 100% correct. However the screen is in and looks good, its 95% there i'm just being fussy again haha, i'm sure a run round with some windscreen sealer will finish off nicely, i'm sure it's recommended in the manual anyways :)

Now then, after all my complaining about windscreens in earlier posts, i was shocked today when I pulled it out to fit, see if you can notice? I'm unsure what the X stands for next to Sundym though :?:

Also the original white mirror had gone extremely brittle, so i've used the original white mounting with a spare black mirror for now :)
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Thu May 14, 2020 9:49 pm

Cleaned up the visors and fitted those along with a spare white mirror I've uncovered among some boxes :lol:
Nice LED bulb to keep heat off the interior light plastics as I know these can go brittle. Wasted half the afternoon today searching for the washer jets, which I finally found in the Blue Wolseley's Glovebox :lol: Got those fitted along with some new pipework, just waiting for a new washer pump arriving.

Hopefully get around to refitting some of the interior next once I've finished installing the new sound proofing :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Finchyman » Fri May 15, 2020 11:54 am

What type of LED should I look for as my current cover has a carefully placed sellotape reinforcement fitted and my new unused cover is in a protective sealed environment to preserve it.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri May 15, 2020 12:47 pm

I've used these LED's, Still has the warm white look aswell :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Finchyman » Fri May 15, 2020 2:18 pm

Thank you, warm white on mink velour.......hopefully the 6 year guarantee doesn't outlive my car.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri May 15, 2020 10:15 pm

Haha finger's crossed your car outlives the guarantee by many years :D

Fitted some fresh sound deadening today as the majority of the old stuff was ruined with damp.

Also started refitting parts of the Dash starting with the Glovebox :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:30 pm

Been working hard on the interior over the last week

Had the little bissel carpet cleaner out and cleaned up the whole interior, it didn't look too bad atall but the water that came out of the carpets and seats was almost jet black :oops:

As you can see I've reinstated the brown, everything is genuine except for the part of the dash with the clocks etc in, that bit is painted until I can find a genuine brown replacement. I've also used the carpet set from the spares car as the original was holed and badly worn :(
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:32 pm

More Pictures..... Fitted a nos gear lever gaiter aswell. Just need to repaint the Wolseley steering wheel pad, it was badly cracked so I've repaired it using a flexible filler. I've also misplaced one of my leyland branded 18-22 rubber mats so substituted a Princess branded one for now. I'm rather OCD so I'll have to locate the correct one haha :lol:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Finchyman » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:53 pm

Never seen Princess branded floor mats. :o
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Post by Gasman » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:45 am

It's funny how time plays tricks on one's memory. My brother had Sorrel Wolseley 18-22 front seats in his Austin 2200 Landcrab mule with Hydragas. I never realised the brown of the vinyl on the seats was that dark (unless you are using a wonky camera like Vulgalour has!).Both seats and carpets have come up nicely. It's amazing how black the water turns with a wash-and-suck Bissell machine. It's very satisfying. Talking of OCD shouldn't the steering wheel be brown?
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:36 pm

It is hard to make out the brown on the sides of the seats, might be easier to make out in these pictures?

Though I have noticed the vinyl down the side of the drivers seat is darker than the passenger side. It looks like the drivers seat has been getting the sun or something as it's turned a pink tinge across the top aswell which is rather annoying :(

The steering wheel is brown underneath but the previous owner fitted the tan coloured wheel wrap in the early 80s, I did think about removing it but it's been on the car so long it feels like a shame to take it off now. I've just got to remove the black crash pad and replace it with the correct Wolseley one, I've been repairing it as it was badly worn and cracked.

Ideally I could do with a replacement pad, or even a brown pad from a princess with the leyland swirl in the middle, I've thought if I could get one of those I could cut the leyland swirl out of the middle and re-insert the Wolseley Badge :roll:
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Vulgalour » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:29 pm

Lots of excellent progress here, it's looking absolutely fantastic.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:50 pm

Thankyou :D

Apologies for the lack of updates over the past week, I've unfortunately been bed ridden for almost a week with the joys of Gastroenteritis.

Thankfully I'm feeling much better and will hopefully have enough energy to venture down to the garage for a couple of hours tomorrow :)

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Post by John Steed » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:45 pm

Ventured back down today but only got a couple of jobs done before I started feeling unwell again so had to cut the days work short :(

Cleaned and fitted the passenger headrest which was filthy before, came up immaculate :D

The stickers/decals on the seatbelt stalks were bubbling and irritating me so these have been replaced

Also mounted and fitted the new switchgear for the front fog lamps which looks better than the previous arrangement, along with the electric aerial switch :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:54 pm

So, after much bragging about brake pipes, and how brilliant this chap is supposed to be at making them to oe spec, they are not fit for purpose, I should have known and done them myself in the first place. Though as surprising as it sounds all of the original brake pipes are perfect apart from one of the pipes going to the n/s caliper where the end of the pipe has twisted and holed.

Not sure if it's still worth re doing them all anyways, as they are 45 years old.....

Opinions welcome ? :D

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Post by Gasman » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:34 pm

I only changed the pipes on SMG because they were, quite correctly, MoT advisories. I haven't changed them on KWacKers and if yours don't need changing then personally I wouldn't bother unless you want a concours look. I would however change all the flexie pipes as a matter of course.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Vulgalour » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:00 pm

It does no harm to replace with new on a safety critical part. That said, Princess brake lines do seem to last really well, even on quite badly stored cars, especially so compared to their contemporaries.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:45 pm

Thanks all for the advice :)

I'm going to leave the rear brake lines as these are in very good condition. The pipes going to the front calipers I will remake as the n/s front both pipes are twisted, so I will replace all the front pipes. Flexi hoses will be all new, I've got a box full of nos flexi hoses :D

I think once this is done I'll be pretty much ready to drop the engine back in ;)

Is there anything worth doing/any known issues worth checking whilst the engine is still out the car?

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Post by Gasman » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:16 pm

The suspension pipes are OK presumably. The only other thing to suggest is to prophylactically change the diff driveshaft seals whilst the engine is still out.

I can't remember whether the engine/gearbox is all tried and tested. The clutch is easier to replace with the engine out...
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:51 pm

Suspension Pipes all good. It sat quite happily until the n/s rear displacer popped, so that will have to be rectified before it goes on the road, ofcourse the pivot shafts are seized. Im thinking of sending the front spheres off to be gassed so that the front end can all be re-assembled in one go. And then see about unseizing the rears. I have a pair of nos rear displacers that I could send off to be gassed and swap them for the originals :D

The engine ran okay, it engaged gears fine and drove around the previous workshops yard with no problems, obviously a thorough test through the gears wasn't given as there was no brakes whatsoever at the time :roll:

I had wondered if it was worth putting a nos clutch kit on as it has done 92,000 in any case ?

Driveshaft seals On the list, a mechanic friend advised that, though I can't seem to locate them, what part number would they be, or are they listed under a different name ?

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Post by Gasman » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:47 pm

The diff oil seals were originally Part No. 13H4691 but changed during production to, on the Ambassador AHU1082. I'm almost certain they're the same as on a Mini cooper (ADO16) or possibly Cooper S. They do seem to be available for the Mini...

When we did Maurice we changed the clutch as a matter of course even though it seemed fine moving round the drive... I think I would change that whilst the engine is out.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:13 pm

Thankyou, I'll have a browse online and see what I can find :)

I shall probably replace the clutch then so atleast it's one less thing to worry about.

Are any special tools required, a friend of mine has several mini's and has various pulling tools etc

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Post by Gasman » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:43 pm

No special tools for the seals. Used a screwdriver I seem to remember to get the old seal out and just pressing in the new one.

WRT clutch I've not done a 6 cylinder. You need a centraliser tool on reassembly for the 4 cylinder but not sure it's necessary for the 6 cylinder. Someone else will know!
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John Steed
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:08 pm

Sounds nice and easy, I've found AHU1082 online, only £5 a pair

Thankyou, I shall try and find out

I've got a 3 piece clutch kit on the shelf somewhere, and i've just fitted a nos master cylinder and also got a couple nos slave cylinders :D

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:15 am

What’s the 3rd bit; ? Thrust race ? As you’ve got a NOS slave cylinder might as well change that. That only leaves the flexie hose which is also worth changing as these can also fail. It’s only money...
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:23 pm

I'm sure the Kit consists of the Clutch Plate, Clutch Cover, and what looks like a bearing ?

I shall install a new clutch flexi hose aswell, I think there's a couple of new ones in the boot of the blue one, It's like aladdins cave :lol: :D

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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:04 pm

The bearing is the thrust race.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:06 pm

Thank you

So it would be worth changing that aswell ?

I've never done a clutch before, can you tell :oops:

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:36 pm

I'll get everything laid out and organised :D

I've spent today fitting the replacement alarm and getting it to work along with the central locking :D
Alarm was relatively easy as it used the same connections as the previous one, someone must have spent abit of money on this car back in the late 70s, early 80s :o

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:47 pm

Just a couple of Pictures

Radio still needs properly secured from behind :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Gasman » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:37 pm

What a fantastic job you are doing Andy. KPK is looking gorgeous albeit with a personal rider that I'm really not a fan of that steering wheel.... I get lots of criticism when I show SMG with a Motolita wheel which is much more comfortable (IMO) to hold than the thin standard thing such that I usually drive to the venue with the Motolita and then a quick swap for the original (standard blue plastic but with a VP logo rather than Wolseley!) to shut up the moaners (like me).

But then, don't listen to me. Who cares what I think, the car's beautiful.
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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:04 pm

Thankyou very much indeed :D It's certainly getting there now :)

Haha, I know your not much of a fan of the wheel. The original brown wheel is perfect underneath but I just don't have the heart to pull the cover off, it's been on since the late 70s, early 80s, that being said it would look better if it was brown as ofcourse the colour doesn't match. If I can obtain a spare brown steering wheel I'll swap it and keep that covered one as a spare.

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Re: Project KPK

Post by John Steed » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:11 pm

Got the engine re-installed yesterday, didn't take very long at all which was surprising given the trolley had to be pushed from down the side of the garage across the wet sodden grass, and also the hoists back wheels digging into the grass :lol:

I'm aware the front of the block hasn't been painted, it wasn't possible to reach it with the engine sitting outside down the back of the garage, we only managed to get it pushed round yesterday and the weather was against us meaning I didn't have the time to faff around with it. It will be painted in situ as the back and sides of the block have already been done :D

New full clutch kit, new diff seals and new waterpump were all fitted whilst it was still out :D
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Re: Project KPK

Post by Finchyman » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:13 pm

Looking good. The 6 cylinder engine looks massive dangling there. Wise to remove the delicate grille before swinging it in! :o
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